problema con scheda ethernet SIS191

Aperto da ranger36, Venerdì 27 Marzo 2020, 13:38:28

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ranger36

al primo comando mi dice questo
Cannot find device "enp0s"

continuo con il secondo?

Metelliano

Copia bene il nome dell'interfaccia enp0s4...manca il 4

Nella propria vita un uomo è tale solo per pochi istanti.

ranger36

Scusa il ritardo ma ho perso completamente la connessione pc... prima ero collegato con telefono e na vigavo ora non riesco più dopo ultimo comando

Metelliano

Quei comandi hanno impostato un ip statico per la scheda di rete e dato come gateway il modem.
Normalmente basterebbe questo per funzionare.
Per eliminare il gateway e tornare a navigare col cell dai
sudo ip route del default via 192.168.1.1
o l'ip che hai inserito prima.
Fai un restart della rete.
Io per ip momento stacco.
Buonanotte

Nella propria vita un uomo è tale solo per pochi istanti.

ranger36


ranger36

Mi sta succedendo cosa strana, dopo tutte le modifiche suggerite la connessione non funzionava ...continuando a cercare in rete ho provato a impostare MTU a 1492 e continuava a non dare segni di vita.... per scrupolo ho riavviato il computer con penna USB di mint inserita e funziona. La mia domanda è,  perché in modalità normale, ossia senza penna usb no?

andrea111

Intendi dire che hai avviato la live di mint e lì funziona?

Probabile causa del malfunzionamento potrebbe essere un aggiornamento del mint installato.
Oppure che lo stato del network-manager è rimasto sporcato da impostazioni sbagliate.

Portatile ASUS con Scheda madre X55C +i5-3210M -- 6 GB RAM ddr3 -- grafica intel.

ranger36

Si intendevo quello... ora ho re-installato tutto il programma e sembra funzionare tutto incrocio le dita... vi terrò aggiornati nei prossimi giorni.

ranger36

Ripropongo questo post, per non aprire un'altro. La  scheda funziona, ma probabilmente è troppo obsoleta per poter essere utilizzata al meglio. Mia figlia usa il PC per le lezioni con MEET e finchè ci sono pochi partecipanti tutto funziona, un po lento ma va, quando aumentano i partecipanti iniziano i problemi, audio diventa robotico va a tratti per poi diventare muto.
Vorrei cambiare la scheda di rete cosa mi consigliate?
Grazie

midnite

non credo che il problema sia la scheda di rete.
con i servizi tipo jittsimeet meetmultiparty ecc... viene demandato ai pc il compito di ricomporre i video dei vari partecipanti, e più sono quelli con telecamera accesa e più il pc fa fatica a gestire il tutto. il risultato è che processore e/o ram si saturano e ottieni un video a scatti e un audio di bassa qualità o non allineato all'immagine.
apri il taskmanager (o un terminale con htop in funzione) e verifica se succede quello che penso.
in questo caso potresti trovare giovamento nel far mantenere le webcam spente (cosa non praticabile durante una video lezione), o magari con un d.e. più leggero che carica meno il sistema e lascia più risorse disponibili al meeting.
altra cosa, in genere quelle piattaforme consigliano un browser chrome-like quindi o chrome (che però è esoso di risorse) o chromium ... prova quest'ultimo anche se temo che cambi poco.

ranger36

ok grazie per risposta quindi pensi che sia un problema di Ram e non di connessione? Ho provato a fare un test di velocità di internet e mi da 10,4 Mbps in dowload e 2,87 in upload, mett se non ho capito male richiede 3,10 mps di upload con piu di 2 partecipanti, esiste la possibilita di aumentare il valore di upload?

ranger36

#56
ram va potenziata?
H/W path              Device      Class       Description
=========================================================
/0/0                              memory      128KiB BIOS
/0/4/8                            memory      32KiB L1 cache
/0/19                             memory      2GiB System Memory
/0/19/0                           memory      1GiB DIMM SDRAM Synchronous 667 MH
/0/19/1                           memory      1GiB DIMM SDRAM Synchronous 667 MH

midnite

i valori di download e upload dipendono dal tuo provider e dal contratto in essere. tu non puoi fare nulla se non passare ad un piano differente con costi differenti...

per la ram, direi che 2gb sono pochi. per un uso standard di un sistema a 32bit bastano e avanzano ma poi quando ti vai a rapportare con certi servizi web beh, i colli di bottiglia diventano evidenti ... se guardi il task manager, noterai che in quei momenti il browser arriva a consumare anche oltre 1gb.

altra questione, se il tuo sistema è a 32bit, beh anche questo non aiuta: i servizi tipo meet, come ti dicevo, richiedono browser chrome-like, e guarda caso chrome è rilasciato solo per 64bit

comunque la prova che puoi fare, è quella di avviare una connessione di prova a questo servizio e poi verifichi dal monitor di sistema qual'è la criticità ( se il processore, la ram, la rete ) e poi valuti come comportarti: se ad esempio è il processore che va a palla, non serve avere più ram ( il processore continuerà a non farcela )


ranger36

Grazie per le info, ho guardato il registro di sistema di ieri mentre era in lezione, qualcuno potrrebbe aiutarmi per capire se è un problema di Ram o CPU? inserisco registro

[/ 20 16:12:44 camilla-Aspire-M1610 NetworkManager[913]: <info>  [1589983964.4115] device (eth0): interface index 5 renamed iface from 'eth0' to 'enp0s3f3u5c4i2'
May 20 16:12:44 camilla-Aspire-M1610 NetworkManager[913]: <info>  [1589983964.4753] devices added (path: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.3/usb1/1-5/1-5:4.2/net/enp0s3f3u5c4i2, iface: enp0s3f3u5c4i2)
May 20 16:12:44 camilla-Aspire-M1610 NetworkManager[913]: <info>  [1589983964.4753] device added (path: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.3/usb1/1-5/1-5:4.2/net/enp0s3f3u5c4i2, iface: enp0s3f3u5c4i2): no ifupdown configuration found.
May 20 16:12:44 camilla-Aspire-M1610 NetworkManager[913]: <info>  [1589983964.4762] device (enp0s3f3u5c4i2): state change: unmanaged -> unavailable (reason 'managed') [10 20 2]
May 20 16:12:44 camilla-Aspire-M1610 NetworkManager[913]: <info>  [1589983964.4783] device (enp0s3f3u5c4i2): link connected
May 20 16:12:44 camilla-Aspire-M1610 kernel: [25967.704481] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): enp0s3f3u5c4i2: link is not ready
May 20 16:12:44 camilla-Aspire-M1610 NetworkManager[913]: <info>  [1589983964.4837] keyfile: add connection in-memory (f285dcd5-71a1-3311-a64a-5a2d0118f02d,"Connessione via cavo 2")
May 20 16:12:44 camilla-Aspire-M1610 NetworkManager[913]: <info>  [1589983964.4948] settings: (enp0s3f3u5c4i2): created default wired connection 'Connessione via cavo 2'
May 20 16:12:44 camilla-Aspire-M1610 NetworkManager[913]: <info>  [1589983964.5296] device (enp0s3f3u5c4i2): state change: unavailable -> disconnected (reason 'none') [20 30 0]
May 20 16:12:44 camilla-Aspire-M1610 NetworkManager[913]: <info>  [1589983964.6975] policy: auto-activating connection 'Connessione via cavo 2'
May 20 16:12:44 camilla-Aspire-M1610 NetworkManager[913]: <info>  [1589983964.7000] device (enp0s3f3u5c4i2): Activation: starting connection 'Connessione via cavo 2' (f285dcd5-71a1-3311-a64a-5a2d0118f02d)
May 20 16:12:44 camilla-Aspire-M1610 NetworkManager[913]: <info>  [1589983964.7004] device (enp0s3f3u5c4i2): state change: disconnected -> prepare (reason 'none') [30 40 0]
May 20 16:12:44 camilla-Aspire-M1610 NetworkManager[913]: <info>  [1589983964.7119] device (enp0s3f3u5c4i2): state change: prepare -> config (reason 'none') [40 50 0]
May 20 16:12:44 camilla-Aspire-M1610 NetworkManager[913]: <info>  [1589983964.7299] device (enp0s3f3u5c4i2): state change: config -> ip-config (reason 'none') [50 70 0]
May 20 16:12:44 camilla-Aspire-M1610 NetworkManager[913]: <info>  [1589983964.7308] dhcp4 (enp0s3f3u5c4i2): activation: beginning transaction (timeout in 45 seconds)
May 20 16:12:44 camilla-Aspire-M1610 NetworkManager[913]: <info>  [1589983964.7432] dhcp4 (enp0s3f3u5c4i2): dhclient started with pid 11172
May 20 16:12:44 camilla-Aspire-M1610 org.gtk.vfs.GPhoto2VolumeMonitor[1259]: (process:1518): GVFS-GPhoto2-WARNING **: device (null) has no BUSNUM property, ignoring
May 20 16:12:44 camilla-Aspire-M1610 org.gtk.vfs.GPhoto2VolumeMonitor[1259]: message repeated 3 times: [ (process:1518): GVFS-GPhoto2-WARNING **: device (null) has no BUSNUM property, ignoring]
May 20 16:12:44 camilla-Aspire-M1610 dhclient[11172]: DHCPDISCOVER on enp0s3f3u5c4i2 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3 (xid=0x421ffc75)
May 20 16:12:45 camilla-Aspire-M1610 org.gtk.vfs.AfcVolumeMonitor[1259]: creating volume for device uuid '57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109'
May 20 16:12:45 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:12:45.107][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:12:45 camilla-Aspire-M1610 ntpd[991]: bind(21) AF_INET6 fe80::bb6c:2711:fa6d:706c%5#123 flags 0x11 failed: Cannot assign requested address
May 20 16:12:45 camilla-Aspire-M1610 ntpd[991]: unable to create socket on enp0s3f3u5c4i2 (21) for fe80::bb6c:2711:fa6d:706c%5#123
May 20 16:12:45 camilla-Aspire-M1610 ntpd[991]: failed to init interface for address fe80::bb6c:2711:fa6d:706c%5
May 20 16:12:45 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:12:45.782][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:12:46 camilla-Aspire-M1610 avahi-daemon[857]: Joining mDNS multicast group on interface enp0s3f3u5c4i2.IPv6 with address fe80::bb6c:2711:fa6d:706c.
May 20 16:12:46 camilla-Aspire-M1610 avahi-daemon[857]: New relevant interface enp0s3f3u5c4i2.IPv6 for mDNS.
May 20 16:12:46 camilla-Aspire-M1610 avahi-daemon[857]: Registering new address record for fe80::bb6c:2711:fa6d:706c on enp0s3f3u5c4i2.*.
May 20 16:12:46 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:12:46.780][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:12:46 camilla-Aspire-M1610 ModemManager[814]: <info>  Couldn't check support for device at '/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.3/usb1/1-5': not supported by any plugin
May 20 16:12:47 camilla-Aspire-M1610 ntpd[991]: Listen normally on 22 enp0s3f3u5c4i2 [fe80::bb6c:2711:fa6d:706c%5]:123
May 20 16:12:47 camilla-Aspire-M1610 ntpd[991]: new interface(s) found: waking up resolver
May 20 16:12:47 camilla-Aspire-M1610 dhclient[11172]: DHCPDISCOVER on enp0s3f3u5c4i2 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6 (xid=0x421ffc75)
May 20 16:12:47 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:12:47.841][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:12:48 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:12:48.780][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:12:49 camilla-Aspire-M1610 colord-sane: io/hpmud/pp.c 627: unable to read device-id ret=-1
May 20 16:12:49 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:12:49.780][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:12:50 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:12:50.777][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:12:51 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:12:51.778][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:12:52 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:12:52.780][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:12:53 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:12:53.778][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:12:53 camilla-Aspire-M1610 dhclient[11172]: DHCPDISCOVER on enp0s3f3u5c4i2 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 15 (xid=0x421ffc75)
May 20 16:12:54 camilla-Aspire-M1610 kernel: [25977.820063] ipheth 1-5:4.2: ipheth_tx_timeout: TX timeout
May 20 16:12:54 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:12:54.779][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:12:55 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:12:55.778][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:12:56 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:12:56.780][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:12:57 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:12:57.781][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:12:58 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:12:58.782][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:12:59 camilla-Aspire-M1610 kernel: [25982.940053] ipheth 1-5:4.2: ipheth_tx_timeout: TX timeout
May 20 16:12:59 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:12:59.779][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:00 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:00.780][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:01 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:01.780][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:02 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:02.780][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:03 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:03.779][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:04 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:04.780][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:04 camilla-Aspire-M1610 kernel: [25988.060050] ipheth 1-5:4.2: ipheth_tx_timeout: TX timeout
May 20 16:13:05 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:05.780][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:06 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:06.948][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:07 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:07.790][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:08 camilla-Aspire-M1610 dhclient[11172]: DHCPDISCOVER on enp0s3f3u5c4i2 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 19 (xid=0x421ffc75)
May 20 16:13:08 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:08.777][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:09 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:09.783][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:10 camilla-Aspire-M1610 kernel: [25993.948153] ipheth 1-5:4.2: ipheth_tx_timeout: TX timeout
May 20 16:13:10 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:10.779][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:11 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:11.778][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:12 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:12.782][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:13 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:13.780][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:14 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:14.779][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:15 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:15.780][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:15 camilla-Aspire-M1610 kernel: [25999.068047] ipheth 1-5:4.2: ipheth_tx_timeout: TX timeout
May 20 16:13:16 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:16.779][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:17 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:17.973][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:18 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:18.780][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:19 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:19.788][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:20 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:20.779][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:21 camilla-Aspire-M1610 kernel: [26004.956048] ipheth 1-5:4.2: ipheth_tx_timeout: TX timeout
May 20 16:13:21 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:21.779][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:22 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:22.785][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:23 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:23.780][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:24 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:24.781][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:25 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:25.778][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:26 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:26.778][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:27 camilla-Aspire-M1610 dhclient[11172]: DHCPDISCOVER on enp0s3f3u5c4i2 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8 (xid=0x421ffc75)
May 20 16:13:27 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:27.982][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:28 camilla-Aspire-M1610 usbmuxd[11142]: [16:13:28.778][1] config_get_device_record: failed to read '/var/lib/lockdown/57fb0b08bf100a0535899482dac708a9fae27109.plist': No such file or directory
May 20 16:13:29 camilla-Aspire-M1610 NetworkManager[913]: <warn>  [1589984009.7859] dhcp4 (enp0s3f3u5c4i2): request timed outcode]

ranger36

Scusate il post inserito prima, non c'entra niente...... ho provato a fare un monitor di sistema e con solo 1 partecipante CPU1 e CPU2 erano rispettivamente 85% e 100%, Quindi la CPU non sufficiente? E' Corretto? Si potrebbe sostituire? Pc fisso.